Those that voted yes did so for religious reasons, the black community in this country is very religious so this vote comes as no surprise. Rather than spewing hate because one minority group voted in a way that supressed the right of another minority group you should instead spew that hate at the assholes who people to get them to vote that way and not make it sould like it's a shame that black people exercised their rights to vote in a way that you dissagree with.

I'm going to agree with Colinism here and say that a large portion of the black community IS very religious and finds the idea of homosexuality morally reprehensible , more so the idea of gay people people getting married.

One may even be able to draw some corrollaries here to the fact that excluding gay men and I.V. drug users ..the highest incidence of new H.I.V. infections is in fact in black women.

And don't discount the Hispanic voters either..who i am going to assume would be predominantly Catholic and aren't down with it too much.

Right. Because racism magically disappeared on Tuesday night.

i realize you're upset but , I don't think that would necessarily be such a good idea.

You say that like it's a valid and rational reason. We are a secular country, and religious arguments should not be a basis for law. There is absolutely no valid non-religious reason why gays and lesbians should not be allowed to marry, and therefore it should be unconstitutional to deny them the right to do so, on First Amendment grounds. All arguments against homosexual marriage are grounded in religion. Therefore all arguments against homosexual marriage should have no legal force.

I don't think he's saying it's a valid reason, more like he's saying ---

it is what it is.

Wow I accidently deleted a few words from my original post when I was editing it this is what it was supposed to say originally. YIKES!!!

I bolded the accidently omitted words.

Dude, you should totally try that.


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While I agree with the sentiment that it's a horrible thing that there are segments of blacks who anti-progressive, as it relates to sexuality, it's a mistake to hold all blacks accountable. Because there are certainly black people who are on the front-lines of the gay rights movement.

It doesn't have so much to do with ethnicity as it has to do with religious orthodoxy.

If I remember correctly, religion was often cited as a reason to pass miscegenation laws and even to justify slavery. So much of the movement against gay marriage in California was couched in language used to deprive minorities and the black community especially of their rights, and later to justify "separate-but-equal" (you know, separate but equal businesses, separate but equal churches, separate but equal drinking fountains, separate but equal schools). I'm just sad that that flew right by so many people. And it's especially ironic that so many older members of the gay community have been part of the activist base that marched with the civil rights movement.

I knew that this would happen, but I hoped I was wrong. But then, California pretty much universally disappointed me on social propositions this year. At least 4 failed, I suppose.

By the way, I'm black and I've always staunchly supported the rights of the queer community. I can't fathom how/why the US courts have not made the rights of gays as unassailable as the right of every person to be free of slavery.

Interesting, most of my lesbian relationships have been with black dykes who were openly gay in their communities and families.

That's a positive note? Good luck with that.

I am obviously not black but if I had to take a guess I would say that its because slavery and segregation were based on skin color which is something you can not control. Now while you also can not control sexual orientation, there is a signifigant amount of people who believe being Gay is a choice so they do not see it as people being discriminated against.

If I am wrong I will be expecting a PM from Wildswan in a few minutes.

Well, that's an explanation I've heard from some people (black, white, and otherwise), but I find it incredibly specious and smacks of a kind of victim one-upism.


I think a lot of people erroneously think being gay is a "lifestyle," or "life-style choice." And yet, they never view being 'straight' in that same manner. It galls me that being heterosexual is viewed as a superior sexual default.

It feels so good to have you and your stunning insights back on the boards