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Part 1: Julie Rose and Lynda Brocchini



Shortly before going to bed at midnight last night, Julie Rose updated her Facebook status message: "Julie Rose is wondering if she will still be married in the morning."

Rose wasn't waiting for a divorce to finalize, or for her spouse to leave her. Instead, the legality of her marriage to Lynda Brocchini (her partner of a decade) was hanging in the balance, at the mercy of California voters deciding on the fate of Proposition 8. If passed, Prop 8 would amend the State Constitution to ban same-sex unions such as theirs.

Today, even with some three to four million absentee ballots yet to be counted, Prop 8 still looks to be on the road to passing in California, with 52.5% in favor and 47.5% against the measure at press time. San Francisco, Los Angeles and Santa Clara County (the latter where the bulk of Silicon Valley is based) have already joined forces in filing a petition with the California Supreme Court for a writ of mandate to invalidate Prop 8, so the fight isn't even close to being over. But for families like Rose and Brocchini, who share a three-year-old son named Dylan and have had no less than five different commitment ceremonies together (including one performed by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom himself), this is a truly difficult and disheartening moment.

"It's hard, because there's all this talk of, 'Yes we can,' and change," says Rose, "But for a group of us, it doesn't feel all there."

Proposition 8 was endorsed and largely funded by individuals and organizations with ties to religious groups such as the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

"What kills me is that the people funding [Prop 8] are people who say that say they are religious people and all of these churches, the Catholic church and the Mormon church that threw all this money behind this, claim to be Christian people," Rose observes. "I can see why the 'No on 8' people would throw a lot of money behind it, because you're fighting for your rights. But these 'Yes on 8' people who threw millions and millions of dollars that they spent to take rights away from us, why aren't they spending it trying to help poor children or feed people or build houses for people or help third world countries? Isn't that what Christianity is supposed to be about? Helping people, not trying to hurt people?

"If I belonged to a church and I gave money to that church thinking it was to feed people who were hungry or homeless and then I found out that they were using it on a political campaign to take rights away from somebody, I don't know how happy I would be about that."

For the past seven years, Rose has worked for Levi Strauss & Co., the San-Francisco-based company that made history in 1992 by being the first Fortune 500 company to extend its domestic partner medical benefits program to same-sex couples. But even that doesn't have equal advantage to married couples, as she explains.

"I don't get to claim married medical benefits, so all the benefits that they pay for my partner medically, I get taxed on as income. And we had to go to an attorney to have all of this complicated paperwork drawn up –– a married couple, even if they got a trust put together, they pay one fee for the trust. Well, we had to pay for each of us, so twice as much. There's a lot of real, concrete benefits that you don't get.

"In California, domestic partnership laws after AB205 are very good. But also there's the whole 'separate but equal' argument, saying, 'Well, why do you need the word marriage if you have everything else?' But why can't we have the word marriage? Why should it be good enough that we should get a subclass of the same thing? The word shouldn't just be used for one group of people. If they were running around and saying that black people couldn't say they were married, or interracial marriages could only say that they were civil unions, people would think they were ridiculous."

While the battle for Prop 8 continues, so does this family's strength and devotion to the idea that this story will have a happy ending.

"Our son gets really excited when he sees our wedding pictures," she adds. "He thinks it was so great because he was at [two] of them, and he says, 'Mommies are married!' It's not like he's old enough that I could even begin to explain [Prop 8] to him, but I'm hoping he's not going to remember a time when we weren't legally married."

 

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s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 05, 2008 05:07 PM

If only the No on 8 campaign had actually put a human face on the people getting harmed by prop 8, like you're doing here.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 05, 2008 05:10 PM

Well, the Mormons totally want to let bygones be bygones.


Now that California voters have outlawed same-sex marriage, an LDS Church leader called Wednesday for members to heal any rifts caused by the emotional campaign by treating each other with "civility, with respect and with love."

"We hope that every one would treat each that way no matter which side of this issue they were on," said Elder L. Whitney Clayton, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Presidency of the Seventy.

The LDS Church's campaign to pass Proposition 8 was its most vigorous since the 1970s, when it joined the effort to defeat the Equal Rights Amendment.

Clayton said the church never considered Proposition 8 to be a political issue.
"We consider this to be a moral issue," he said, adding that "We're not anti-gay, we're pro marriage between a man and a woman."

In a statement released today, the LDS Church hailed decisions in Arizona and Florida that also ensure marriage will be between a man and a woman.

Asked whether the LDS Church would engage in similar activism in the future, Clayton said, "I really don't know. It depends on the issue, and the time and what is going on."

In its statement, the LDS Church said it does not object to domestic partnership or civil union legislation "as long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches." --


So, lets all respect and love each other now.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

NOV 05, 2008 05:22 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Well, the Mormons totally want to let bygones be bygones.


Now that California voters have outlawed same-sex marriage, an LDS Church leader called Wednesday for members to heal any rifts caused by the emotional campaign by treating each other with "civility, with respect and with love."

"We hope that every one would treat each that way no matter which side of this issue they were on," said Elder L. Whitney Clayton, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Presidency of the Seventy.

The LDS Church's campaign to pass Proposition 8 was its most vigorous since the 1970s, when it joined the effort to defeat the Equal Rights Amendment.

Clayton said the church never considered Proposition 8 to be a political issue.
"We consider this to be a moral issue," he said, adding that "We're not anti-gay, we're pro marriage between a man and a woman."

In a statement released today, the LDS Church hailed decisions in Arizona and Florida that also ensure marriage will be between a man and a woman.

Asked whether the LDS Church would engage in similar activism in the future, Clayton said, "I really don't know. It depends on the issue, and the time and what is going on."

In its statement, the LDS Church said it does not object to domestic partnership or civil union legislation "as long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches." --


So, lets all respect and love each other now.


I don't think I've ever wanted to tell such a large group of people to go fuck themselves.

Vermin

Vermin

HOPEFUL

United Kingdom

NOV 05, 2008 05:31 PM

I'm really, really surprised and upset that it went through. I thought people had moved forward a little more than this but apparently not. So many couples who fought so hard for what they wanted and just had it taken back.

So much for the Church and the State being separate.

ash67

ash67

Longview, TX
October 2005

NOV 05, 2008 05:31 PM

This truly breaks my heart. When this passed, just seeing the hope and happiness it put in the eyes of my friend that are gay, it was like the people in this country finally got it. Only to dissappoint again.

Whether you believe in God, Goddess, simple engergy or chaos, put something out there. Even if you don't believe in anything, show support in some way.

This is wrong and in human to think that all people do not deserve happiness how their hearts see as fit.

nicole_powers

nicole_powers

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 05, 2008 05:57 PM

Yes. I expect Republicans to vote for shit like this, but, for it to pass, a lot of Democrats must have voted for it too. That makes me sad and ashamed. This is the politics of hate, and wonderful people like Julie Rose and Lynda Brocchini, and their son Dylan, are the victims.

justicia

justicia

I'm lost
November 2004

NOV 05, 2008 06:07 PM

nicole_powers said:
Yes. I expect Republicans to vote for shit like this, but, for it to pass, a lot of Democrats must have voted for it too.



DING!!! makes the liberal win so bittersweet today.

God, the hate and the shame! so fucking sad.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

NOV 05, 2008 06:41 PM

nicole_powers said:
Yes. I expect Republicans to vote for shit like this, but, for it to pass, a lot of Democrats must have voted for it too. That makes me sad and ashamed. This is the politics of hate, and wonderful people like Julie Rose and Lynda Brocchini, and their son Dylan, are the victims.



The really sad irony of the election in California? Blacks had a greatly increased turnout due largely to Obama. Blacks also voted 2-1 in favor of Prop 8.

However, if blacks had turned out in normal (i.e. non-Obama) proprotion, Prop 8 would have failed. In other words, Obama's turnout machine ensured the passage of Prop 8.

Sad.

anonymouse

anonymouse

Miami Beach, FL
OLD SKOOL

NOV 05, 2008 06:54 PM

I hope a counter-amendment gets on the ballot for 2010. That seems like a long way off, though.

Isn't voter turnout lower during non-presidential elections? Would that hurt or help a counter-amendment? I don't know. I'm just devastated over Prop 8 passing. It's so disheartening.

arawngwydion

arawngwydion

Jackson, MO
April 2007

NOV 05, 2008 07:00 PM

What's really unfortunate is the fact that we are legislating morality. The founding fathers never intended to do that, and the christian faiths do not beleive in the interference of the government in their business. Even better is that according to federal law any church contributing money to a political campaign or cause can lose their tax free status, however I suspect that they won't. Everybody hates a shrub!!

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

NOV 05, 2008 07:06 PM

Subrosa said:

nicole_powers said:
Yes. I expect Republicans to vote for shit like this, but, for it to pass, a lot of Democrats must have voted for it too. That makes me sad and ashamed. This is the politics of hate, and wonderful people like Julie Rose and Lynda Brocchini, and their son Dylan, are the victims.



The really sad irony of the election in California? Blacks had a greatly increased turnout due largely to Obama. Blacks also voted 2-1 in favor of Prop 8.

However, if blacks had turned out in normal (i.e. non-Obama) proprotion, Prop 8 would have failed. In other words, Obama's turnout machine ensured the passage of Prop 8.

Sad.




Yes, it is.


Too many black people are dogmatic and quite afraid of seeming out of the mainstream.

Meanwhile 'straight' black guys are getting clandestine blow jobs in the bushes of public parks, and 'straight' black women are straining against their natural non-hetero impulses so as not to be alienated from friends, family and church.

It's a really crappy, desperate need for acceptance.

dkmfc

dkmfc

Germany
January 2003

NOV 05, 2008 07:19 PM

wildswan said:

Subrosa said:

nicole_powers said:
Yes. I expect Republicans to vote for shit like this, but, for it to pass, a lot of Democrats must have voted for it too. That makes me sad and ashamed. This is the politics of hate, and wonderful people like Julie Rose and Lynda Brocchini, and their son Dylan, are the victims.



The really sad irony of the election in California? Blacks had a greatly increased turnout due largely to Obama. Blacks also voted 2-1 in favor of Prop 8.

However, if blacks had turned out in normal (i.e. non-Obama) proprotion, Prop 8 would have failed. In other words, Obama's turnout machine ensured the passage of Prop 8.

Sad.




Yes, it is.


Too many black people are dogmatic and quite afraid of seeming out of the mainstream.

Meanwhile 'straight' black guys are getting clandestine blow jobs in the bushes of public parks, and 'straight' black women are straining against their natural non-hetero impulses so as not to be alienated from friends, family and church.

It's a really crappy, desperate need for acceptance.



that's the vast majority of society you just described there, not just blacks.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 05, 2008 07:22 PM

Subrosa said:
The really sad irony of the election in California? Blacks had a greatly increased turnout due largely to Obama. Blacks also voted 2-1 in favor of Prop 8.

However, if blacks had turned out in normal (i.e. non-Obama) proprotion, Prop 8 would have failed. In other words, Obama's turnout machine ensured the passage of Prop 8.

Sad.



I really, really hate this meme. It's damaging in far too many ways than I can begin to count.

The fault lies solely with the No on 8 campaign, who failed to reach out to minorities until the 11th hour with the Samuel L. Jackson ad. And even then, it was just an ad, rather than actually doing the hard work of reaching out to people of color. They completely blew it.

I didn't want to say this during the election, but I've been extremely disappointed with how much the No on 8 campaign just completely sucked. I had hoped they would get lucky and win, but it's very obvious that they were the John Kerry campaign of 2008: right on the issues, but top-down, consultant driven, no enthusiasm, and completely reactive.

Seriously, did they really not anticipate the whole "children will learn about gay marriage in schools!!!" argument? That argument dates back to the gay marriage fight in Hawaii in the 90s.

ardour

ardour

Ottawa, ON
March 2006

NOV 05, 2008 07:26 PM

Vermin said:
I'm really, really surprised and upset that it went through. I thought people had moved forward a little more than this but apparently not. So many couples who fought so hard for what they wanted and just had it taken back.

So much for the Church and the State being separate.



People HAVE moved forward. Just not as far as we hoped. Think of what the results would have been 10 or 20 years ago.

Personally, I'm not big on marriage in general, but as someone who has two fathers, you better believe I was disapointed to hear about this.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 05, 2008 07:26 PM

anonymouse said:
I hope a counter-amendment gets on the ballot for 2010. That seems like a long way off, though.



Lambda Legal is mounting a legal challenge against 8. So it might get stopped in the state supreme court. The argument is that 8 was a sweeping enough change to the principles of the constitution that it should have been treated as a "constitutional revision", rather than an amendment. A revision requires 2/3rds of the legislature or a constitutional convention before getting ratified by the voters, so technically, prop 8 was a misuse of the ballot process.

More here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/05/BA3B13UM63.DTL&type=politics

If not, then 2010 will be the time. Or, the legality of the existing marriages will force the case to the US Supreme Court, which could make things even more interesting. Either way, I seriously doubt this will hold.

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